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#500234 - 08/14/20 06:31 AM Re: how "accurate" are onboard keyboard speakers? [Re: Nick G]
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Thanks for your excellent explanation zuki,

The iLoud has rave reviews as does the PreSonus Eris E66

Either of these would certainly do the job. A little pricey at $300 each. Anyone have recommendations for the more budget minded consumer? smile
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#500241 - 08/14/20 10:21 AM Re: how "accurate" are onboard keyboard speakers? [Re: Nick G]
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Any near field monitor will be fine (There is a boatload out there) so you don’t need to go for something unique to get great imaging and control close up.
Best to look in pro music shops as you will find plenty to choose from at a multiple of price points.
Korg PA1000 is like most arranger keyboards, with just a stereo 2 channel amp built in. (No bi or Tri-amping)

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#500242 - 08/14/20 10:59 AM Re: how "accurate" are onboard keyboard speakers? [Re: Nick G]
zuki Offline
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Thanks Bill. Come to think of it, the 1000 speakers don't have that sweet spot. I know I've had a tri amped boards before, maybe the 800? or PSR3O00 was really sweet too.

I really enjoyed the Adam 7 monitors - really the only ones that blew me away. I don't use monitors, prefer my Senn cans. But would like to check out iLoud too smile
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#500247 - 08/14/20 02:55 PM Re: how "accurate" are onboard keyboard speakers? [Re: Nick G]
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For me the inbuilt keyboard speakers just let one know that the keyboards working...none of them are worth listening to and just don't do the keyboard justice.

A good pair of monitor headphones or powered monitor speakers will enable you to hear the keyboard as it should be heard and worth the money outlay.

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#500251 - 08/14/20 03:47 PM Re: how "accurate" are onboard keyboard speakers? [Re: Nick G]
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I sweat like a pig in headphones! If I have to play silently for practice I use Sony earbuds of an unknown quality.

I have a Korg Pa800, and it sounds great to my ears. The Korg Pa1X had a great and powerful sound as well, but at 50 lbs what an unwieldy beast! Never opened it up or looked into the specs for the internal amp(s).

The TRS-MS05 speakers sold as a companion to the Tyros 5 are lousy; I don't recommend them. When I got my BK-9 I invested in a Roland CM-110 2.1 monitor setup. This system is rated for 50 watts. I think the original MSRP was around $700, so not high-end at all. But they sound much better than the TRS-MS05.

I don't play pro gigs and I have no experience EQ-ing for a room. But when I play a MIDI on the BK-9 it sounds great to me!


Edited by TedS (08/14/20 03:48 PM)

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#500262 - 08/15/20 09:06 AM Re: how "accurate" are onboard keyboard speakers? [Re: Graham UK]
zuki Offline
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Originally Posted By Graham UK
For me the inbuilt keyboard speakers just let one know that the keyboards working...none of them are worth listening to and just don't do the keyboard justice.

A good pair of monitor headphones or powered monitor speakers will enable you to hear the keyboard as it should be heard and worth the money outlay.


Interesting. The pianos sound better through board keyboard speakers than anything else (except phones). When I play my 1000 acoustic pianos through the keyboard speakers, it's terrific. When I try to replicate that through a PA - awful. Keyboard speakers have a better crossover or something that adds middle to patches, particularly pianos. But we all hear what we here, no biggie smile
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#500320 - 08/18/20 10:40 AM Re: how "accurate" are onboard keyboard speakers? [Re: Nick G]
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I have also made the experience when occasionally playing on keyboards with onboard speakers that these speakers are optimized for the sounds of the keyboard, and tend to have a focus on mid frequencies.
I once had to play on a very cheap keyboard of the 1990s, and we thought we could improve its sound by connecting a Bose WaveRadio. But instead, the cheapness of the sound came out, and highs and lows were too much boosted, whereas with the mid-focused speakers of the keyboard still made it sound bearable.

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#500322 - 08/18/20 01:57 PM Re: how "accurate" are onboard keyboard speakers? [Re: Nick G]
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Similar with the Yamaha DGX 630 piano, which we had in church. It has a very simple piano sample, only one layer, dynamics done artificially with filters. With the onboard speakers it sounded fine, but with JBL Control 2 PS active speakers it always sounded cheap.

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#500366 - 08/22/20 07:55 PM Re: how "accurate" are onboard keyboard speakers? [Re: Nick G]
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Bottom line with built in speakers... it all depends on how loud you want to get. Most speakers can be EQ’d decently flat at very low volumes except for the low end (size matters, ladies!), but as volume rises it all falls apart.

And unfortunately for performers, that volume is generally lower than you need for anything but the most unobtrusive, background music gigs you can imagine..!

Sure, for things like stage pianos, which are only ever going to make one sound, and a sound that doesn’t exactly boom at the bottom, built-ins can do all right, but an arranger isn’t just the piano... it’s the entire band or orchestra! It’s the kick drum, the bass player, the double bass player or the synth bass.

But... unless you are mixing reference stuff or mastering, you can chase your tail until you go broke shooting for ‘flat’. Few people have ever even heard a really flat system, and even fewer actually liked it! It’s not designed to flatter music, it’s designed to expose flaws. Not what you want most of the time!

Just get any reasonably priced, well regarded hifi system at home, or a decent pro PA for gigs and leave the worrying about ‘flat’ to studio engineers 😎
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#500423 - 08/25/20 05:57 AM Re: how "accurate" are onboard keyboard speakers? [Re: Nick G]
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I get it with onboard speakers alone,but what about leaving the onboard speakers on,as a monitor,while running your main sound to a pa? I know some players do,but I want to hear what is coming out of my main speakers,and the kb speakers interfere. An exception would be in a large venue with a sound man,of coarse,where you need to hear yourself.

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